A Crumby Deal

David Byrne was once trapped beside me on a plane for over five hours, an ordeal he has probably blocked out of his mind if it ever registered at all. For me, it was a delightful and unforgettable experience. We spent the entire flight talking about the human brain and human behavior, a subject we discovered we both had a passion for that was outside our paid area of expertise.

David was working on his “Theater of the Mind” project at the time — where he combines immersive theater with established psychology experiments. At a conference we were both attending that weekend, he was planning on a live demonstration of a very popular game theory experiment called the Ultimatum Game. It was one I’d read up on many times over the years, frequently popping up in books and other papers about fairness and game theory. The Ultimatum Game goes like this:

One person (The Proposer) is given a sum of money — let’s say $100, which I believe is the amount David used on stage. The Proposer divides this pool of money into two piles however they like. It could even be one pile of $100 and a big pile of nothing. They designate one of the piles as “theirs” and offer the other pile to Subject B (The Responder).

The Responder’s entire role in the Ultimatum Game is to decide whether or not the deal goes through. If they refuse their pile, neither person gets any money at all (it goes back to the folks running the experiment). If the Responder agrees with the split, then both people walk away a little richer.

This experiment was first proposed in the 60s, but wasn’t really performed and analyzed until the 80s. Since then it has become a staple of classrooms and labs around the world, with thousands of variations of the experiment each looking for unique angles (such as: do fraternal twins offer and accept different splits than identical twins?).

In its basic form, where the subjects are unrelated and don’t know one another, offers from the Proposer of less than 30% are usually rejected by the Responder. This means the person accepting the split is choosing to forego any money at all in order to punish an offer they deem unfair. And this is what the Ultimatum Game is ostensibly designed to search for. What is our innate sense of fairness? How much inequality will we tolerate?

In groups that know one another or have frequent contact or relations (a small office group, a family, a fraternity), the Proposer often creates a nearly 50/50 split, which is then happily accepted. Two friends or colleagues walk away a little richer. One of the interesting findings from the Ultimatum Game is that people playing it for the very first time with complete strangers — even if the Proposer and Responder will never see one another or have any contact whatsoever — usually stay within a 50/50 to 70/30 range. First-time Proposers rarely offer anything insulting like 95/5 or 90/10. Having never done or heard of the experiment, their intuition informs them not to push their luck. Perhaps they place themselves (consciously or subconsciously) in the Responder’s seat for a moment and realize that they would reject an unfair offer. Or perhaps most of us, deep down, are generally fair people.

These are the ideas I took away from my reading up on the Ultimatum Game over the years. I found the experiment interesting but not mind-shattering. My thoughts tended to linger on other experiments. Until my flight with David. Until I watched him perform the experiment on stage. I suppose it was just that I had three or four days to mull this one experiment over and over. Because something didn’t sit quite right with me, something about how the experiment is performed and what we read into the results. The problem, I realized, is that we could never truly test the limits of what is actually being studied here. And what is being studied here is not at all what researchers for decades have assumed.

The problem goes back to the original version of this experiment in the 80s, where the sum of money being divided was something like €20. It’s always a small sum, because the experiment only works if you let the Proposer and Responder keep the money. There needs to be actual skin in the game. Experimenters don’t have unlimited resources, and they need to run hundreds or thousands of iterations of the game to get meaningful amounts of data, so the pot size is generally small.

What the Ultimatum Game is measuring, then, is not our innate sense of fairness, but rather what amount of money we are willing to part with in order to impose fairness on others. We are measuring the cost of fairness.

Take a college student at a university (the subject of most psychology experiments, alas). A Proposer offers them a 90/10 split. Ten bucks would buy a slice of pizza and beer and leave enough to tip the cute waiter at the local hangout. But this student isn’t completely broke. They have some cash in the bank, parents who pay their tuition, a part-time job that gives them some spending money. For $10, they could also give a big middle finger to whatever anonymous asshat is trying to walk away with $90. No thank you. They choose to reject this offer, punishing the lack of decorum and fairness. I mean — for $30 they might have been tempted, but they would’ve still be upset. For $30, they could ask the waiter to go see a movie or something.

Okay, now imagine the same experiment but it’s not college students with full bellies and positive bank accounts. It’s two homeless men down on their luck who haven’t had a decent meal in days. One homeless Proposer offers 90/10. The homeless Responder is just as pissed as any college student would be. It’s a bum deal. But $10 is $10. That’s food in my stomach. That’ll get me through another day. I don’t know when I’m going to see $10 again. Many of us would take this deal.

The failure of the Ultimatum Game is that it doesn’t offer meaningful amounts of money. In practice, it simply can’t. No experimenter could afford to. But where practice is impossible, hypotheticals are useful. So let’s run a different version of the game in our heads, one in which we raise the stakes until college students (and middle-aged college drop-outs like me) feel the same weight of the experiment as the homeless above.

Let’s imagine a pot size of $100,000. The Proposer offers the same 90/10 split, which in thousands of experiments people have been deemed unfair, rejecting a measly offer of $1 or $10. But now it’s $10,000 being offered. Yes, they realize the Proposer is going to keep $90,000. Oh yeah, you bet they are upset at this offer. Why not go 50/50? They tell themselves that they would have gone 50/50. They’d yell at this person if the experiment wasn’t being performed anonymously (much less hypothetically). But ten grand is more than they make in a month after taxes. That’s a vacation. It’s paying off a credit card. It’s two months of living expenses with a little left over to invest. Boy, they’d love nothing more than to punish the unfairness of this offer, but that’s too much money to give up. They accept the offer. Wouldn’t you?

If not, let’s say the pot size is now a million dollars. The Proposer suggests $900,000 to themselves and $100,000 to you. It’s still unfair, but that’s one hundred grand you get to keep. Almost nobody in their right mind would reject that offer.

And yet, in thousands of Ultimatum Games run over the last 40 years, the 90/10 split is rarely offered and almost always rejected. That’s because the price being paid to reject unfairness is tolerable. Raise the stakes, and suddenly the same unfairness is accepted, however angry it makes us. Which leads us to this:

Red and orange represent the top 10% in the US. Combined, they own nearly 75% of all there is to own. The bottom 50% of Americans is represented by that teal sliver which almost disappears around 2008. The top 1% are twenty times as wealthy as the bottom half of the US. Oh, and the gap is both growing and accelerating.

This kind of distribution is seen elsewhere, but it is worse in the US than in Europe. We tend to align more with India, Russia, and China than we do Europe when it comes to how we tolerate income inequality. (It’s worth noting that India has a very powerful caste system that permeates the entire culture. Inequality is not just tolerated there but in many ways enshrined and celebrated).

*Note that this graph measures income, which is different than wealth. Wealth tends to be even more unevenly distributed than income, mostly due to low inheritance taxes. It’s easier to sit on amassed wealth than to go out and compete in the market for real wages.

Here’s another graph to ponder:

In the last 50 years, the top 20% of earners have seen a nearly 10% raise, coming at the expense of the other 80%, which have all seen their share of income fall. The middle quintile have seen the greatest erosion. This is the “disappearance of the middle class” you may have heard about. What’s actually happening is the haves and have-nots are growing further apart. You see blame being tossed about, and anger is on the rise, but the blame is difficult to accurately assign. People vote against their own interests. Many don’t vote at all. And no party offers clear and radical solutions to this growing problem.

Historically, things have not gone well when wealth disparity grows too much. Sometimes there are uprisings, as seen in Cuba in the 50s. The disparity in wealth there between those in the city and those in the countryside grew to such a state that revolutionaries like Castro were able to topple the haves and take it all for themselves. Same thing has happened in Russia more than once, and in France and Britain. It’s happened thousands of times and will keep happening, because the structures that create income inequality are both ratcheting and compounding. They go one direction and they feed on themselves.

They go one direction, because power once seized is difficult to relinquish. They feed on themselves because those in power tend to change the rules to gain more power (or they skirt the rules, take advantage of loopholes only they can afford, or get away with breaking the law). Get angry all you want, it doesn’t change anything. It’s human psychology. It’s game theory. And one thing we’ve learned from millions of psychology experiments is that if you change the roles, you get the same results. Let the guards become the prisoners or vice versa, and you get the same behavior. Let the Proposer and Responder switch sides, and it doesn’t matter. If you were a billionaire, you would most likely nudge things — even subconsciously — in a way that rewards being a billionaire. Self-interest is a very difficult thing to buck.

Making things more difficult is that perceived wealth is far from actual wealth. This graph breaks my heart:

There’s a lot going on here. The first thing that jumps out is that folks think being wealthy is a lot more common than it actually is. People assume that earning a million dollars a year is something that quite a few people do, when almost no one does. Fewer than half a percent of the US population earns over a million dollars a year. If you know 200 randomly distributed people, then you might know one person who fits the bill. (Of course, we don’t know randomly distributed people. We know people mostly in our realm of income, which is one of the sources of confusion here).

We overestimate how many wealthy people there are while underestimating how many people are living in poverty. This may be part of why people vote against their own interests. They think moving up to where the rules will one day favor them will be easier than it actually is. (There are other, less flattering reasons that I’ve blogged about here at times). What’s wild is that income inequality is getting worse — and accelerating — all while we are unaware of how bad it’s gotten. We think income is more evenly distributed than it actually is.

Let’s return to the Ultimatum Game. If I offered you $100,000 a year (after taxes, guaranteed), but it meant that thousands of people would get millions of dollars from that same pool, would you accept it? Would the unfairness of the distribution matter to you? Or would you be more interested in how that $100,000 might change your life? I think most of us would take that deal. It’s too much money to pass up on. Equality be damned.

Well, that’s the deal we are all making. And when you cross the threshold and the deal no longer makes sense (you become one of the billionaires), you rationalize your change of heart. The reason you became a billionaire isn’t because you got lucky — it’s because you worked hard (ignoring the fact that most of your non-billionaire friends worked just as hard or harder). There are all kinds of mental gymnastics here that would make Simone Biles blush. And there’s a good chance that any of us would fall prey to them.

I know for a fact that I got lucky and that thousands of other writers out there worked just as hard or harder than me and have just as much or more talent. I was reading about and obsessed with human psychology, biases, game theory, and evolutionary psychology long before I won the lottery, so I had some defenses against the illusion of meritocracy. Yet another way that i got lucky.

But make no mistake, enough people believe in a meritocracy — or want the rules tilted in their favor — to keep the system rigged in a way that will only increase income inequality. This problem will grow and grow. We tolerate it because the crumbs falling from the table way above us are big enough to live on. But that doesn’t make it any less of a crumby deal.


26 responses to “A Crumby Deal”

  1. Fantastic post. The ultimatum game reminds me of the mathematically fair way to divide a cake. It’s simplest for two people: one person cuts the slices. The other person picks who gets which slice.

  2. Hugh,

    Putting on my economist hat for a moment—something I studied in school and remain passionate about, even though it’s outside my paid area of expertise—I wanted to address your argument about wealth inequality. You make a compelling emotional case for it being a “crumby deal,” but there are several logical traps and misunderstandings that deserve attention.

    First, and perhaps most importantly, you’re using the Ultimatum Game as a metaphor for income inequality. In reality, wealth distribution isn’t determined by a single “Proposer” but by a dynamic and interconnected system of market forces, individual choices, government policies, and global trends. The hypothetical fails to account for how wealth creation expands opportunities rather than simply redistributing existing wealth.

    You’re also relying on the assumption that the economy is a zero-sum game. It’s not. Economic growth expands the “pie,” creating opportunities for all groups to improve their standard of living. Technological innovation, investments, and entrepreneurship often lead to increased productivity and wealth creation, benefiting society broadly—not just the wealthy.

    Related to this, real income has risen across all groups. Yes, inequality has grown, but the standard of living for lower- and middle-income people has also improved significantly over time. Beyond monetary wealth, access to consumer goods, healthcare advancements, and technology—once considered luxuries—has become widely available, improving quality of life for far more than just the top earners.

    Importantly, inequality does not inherently equal poverty. Its presence doesn’t mean the poor are getting poorer. In fact, global poverty has dramatically decreased over the past 20 years. Economic systems that allow for wealth creation almost always lead to better outcomes than those focused solely on redistribution. Policies aimed at reducing inequality, such as heavy taxation or wealth redistribution, risk disincentivizing the very behaviors that drive economic growth and opportunity.

    The technological innovations of the last 20 years have been a crucial factor in enabling your own success. Thirty years ago, you likely wouldn’t have achieved the distribution you did. Your willingness to adopt and leverage new technologies, combined with your talent for storytelling, set you apart. You say you got lucky, and perhaps you did, but your success involved more than just putting words to paper (or screen). You used available tools effectively, reaching a large audience. Other writers who worked just as hard didn’t master the other components of success as well as you did. In essence, you largely made your own luck—not to diminish the efforts of others, but to highlight that economic success requires not just great work but also the ability to get people to value and pay for it.

    Your claim that people tolerate inequality because they rationalize it may be overly simplistic. An alternative explanation is that people are motivated by the potential for upward mobility, which drives innovation and hard work. The belief in meritocracy—imperfect as it may be—fuels economic dynamism. America is relatively unique in its capacity for economic mobility. Over time, a significant percentage of people move up the economic ladder. Here’s some data for context:

    2002: Low income (14%), Lower middle income (17%), Middle class (39%), Upper middle class (29%), High income (1%)
    2016: Low income (13%), Lower middle income (16%), Middle class (36%), Upper middle class (33%), High income (2%)

    Bottom line: Complaining about wealth inequality isn’t the solution. Doing so creates an us vs them mentality, alienating people who are (mostly) on the same team. It will always exist, no matter how society is structured. The focus should be on unleashing human potential by providing people with the freedom and tools they need to reach their full potential. I’m putting my money and time where my mouth is by working at a nonprofit focused on this.

    The community my organization serves is generally poor, living in one of the wealthiest areas of a country that is also incredibly wealthy (Southern California). We address short-term basic needs like food, shelter, and diapers, but more importantly, we work to expose them to the opportunities and resources that already exist. Generational poverty often persists because those experiencing it don’t have access to—or awareness of—the tools and opportunities available. Instead, they make survival-based choices that aren’t strictly necessary. For example, a child turns 16, and the parents insist they get a job to support the family. The child complies, but at the cost of further education and missed opportunities to escape the cycle of poverty.

    We’re working to show both kids and parents that there’s a better way. For instance, our high school equivalency program helps ensure students can meet a basic requirement for earning more than minimum wage. Another example is exposing families to drone technology. You can earn a decent living as a drone pilot without a college degree. When I asked some students what they thought a drone pilot earns, they guessed, “Maybe $15 an hour?” When I told them our local power utility was hiring drone pilots starting at $80k a year, they couldn’t even conceive of that amount. Every single one of those kids has the ability to learn the necessary skills for that job—and even more. We’re also launching entrepreneurship programs that will teach students how to start and run a business.

    Will we always be successful? No, certainly not. But we can absolutely give people knowledge and access that can help them climb out of poverty and the ultimate success is when they no longer need us anymore.

    1. “ChatGPT, write me a response to this blog post from the perspective of a boomer who learned about Reaganomics in college and still believes it.”

      1. Whatever tidepod. ;)

    2. At the outset, I appreciate your thoughtfulness and your work generally. So my response is not to criticize overall nor a “got you” knee jerk reaction.

      I do disagree with your second and third paragraphs from an interpretation perspective.

      “you’re using the Ultimatum Game as a metaphor for income inequality.” I don’t think it’s quite that direct. It’s the mental gymnastics. It’s not exactly a direct metaphor but a perspective on the psychology of the human mind and perception. It’s not about the individual relationships directly as that’s stated above and in the experiments as well, there’s an aspect of it where the multiple unknown variables are outside of both players control. While that part may be metaphorical, it’s not a directly literal metaphor for the existence of income inequality (versus wealth inequality). It’s a thought experiment reflection.

      The distinction is also clear that it’s *income * inequality and not *wealth* inequality being addressed by that thought experiment. Your second paragraph quickly jumps to wealth inequality and further doubles down when you get into the commonly used language to describe generational cycles of poverty.

      Because wealth inequality is different from income inequality and obviously between the two there are multiple factors which systematically affect each. More so those factors play into wealth inequality. For income inequality though, to say that many of those factors are not in some way (to the extent they can be) controlled by a smaller number of people in interconnected positions of power nationally and globally is ignoring what we know to be true. There is an oligarchy of class, privilege, and wealth and it is self-perpetuating by elitist education. People in power ultimately determine wages on some level. This may vary a bit in smaller businesses but those businesses also tend to have less inequality as well.

      Thinking about these perspectives and inequalities though, two things stick out to me in what you said about your organization: 1. It’s located in one of the wealthiest areas; and 2. The assumptions you made about the knowledge a “poor family” might have with respect to opportunities. What I read from that is that presumably you also live in this area but are not served by your organization (you’re likely somewhat wealthy) and you have a type of mentality wherein your belief is that “if they only knew, they could become like me.”

      That’s a fundamentally flawed premise for multiple reasons. Knowledge and education alone aren’t enough. We know this, because if you’re starving, you can’t think straight and it’s also harder to do everything. If basic needs are stressed knowledge and education are unlikely to overcome that burden. This is why we feed kids in Minnesota schools (disclosure: I live in Minneapolis). But it’s also hard for someone not in that exact situation (you) to understand what is strictly necessary when not living in that world 24/7.

      I recognize that I’m making some assumptions about you that I can’t reasonably know, and so I’m not willing to push this much further. However, these sorts of perspectives and assumptions are very common and broad issues with many well-intentioned non-profits and non-profit professionals.

      The other issue I have is with your third paragraph. I think it’s also presumptive to assume there’s a zero-sum game being relied upon. If it were a direct metaphor for wealth? Perhaps, but that’s not what it’s about. It’s about income which is driven by profit margins in a capitalist system. You know this from an economic perspective. So in the long term, theoretically or rather ideally, “economic growth” expands the pie of opportunity, but that..hasn’t happened. And that’s kind of the point.

      Trickle-down economics isn’t trickling down anymore and some of that is actually a result of technological innovation which has objectively not improved society and has only increased profit margins which aren’t being distributed. If you look at the retailers replacing people with self-checkouts etc., their margins are growing but they aren’t paying their employees proportionally with those increases. They are rewarding wealthy investors and c-suites and those people are hoarding wealth.

      I can appreciate that not every company or every wealthy individual is engaging in these cycles, but from the numbers, most are.

      1. Patrice Fitzgerald Avatar
        Patrice Fitzgerald

        Thank you, Eli. I appreciate your response.

      2. Perhaps I misinterpreted, but Hugh describes the Ultimatum Game for several paragraphs then jumps right to wealth inequality and then income inequality. I addressed both of those in my reply, perhaps imperfectly.

        I don’t dispute the existence of an oligarchy of class, privilege, and wealth and that it is self-perpetuating. That said, I disagree that they have as much power over the economy as you express.

        You are correct that I also live in the geographic location that I work in, and that I don’t receive services from the organization I work for. I was born on the other side of the country to a middle class family that didn’t suffer from food or housing insecurity. We weren’t rich, but not poor either. I worked first to buy the things I wanted, then to pay for school, rent, food etc. I finished college with student loan debt that I worked hard to pay off as early as I could. I wouldn’t exactly say I am wealthy, but I have been a saver my entire life (when I could). I had to restart from 0 (actually less than 0) twice during my life.

        I don’t actually think the people we serve where I work can “become like me”, that would be somewhat arrogant for a number of reasons. The people we serve come from a completely different background than I do. That is not to say they are any less intelligent, hard working, or capable – some in fact are more of those things than I ever have been. This is why I firmly believe they can be successful on any number of pathways.

        You are absolutely correct that if someone is starving, they can’t think straight and everything is harder. Our organization also helps to provide basic needs both through our own resources and by referral to many other services and organizations that can help with those things. What we’ve realized however, is that while providing for basic needs is essential for the reasons you mentioned, stopping there will never break the cycle of poverty. So we start with stability and hope, and then push to offer other services like education to put at least some on a pathway to a better life.

        As to my third paragraph – in my experience, income is driven by the value provided (perceived or real). I am not sure what you mean by the pie of opportunity not expanding, perhaps you can elaborate. The numbers I perceive as measures of the “pie” seem to show that it has. Certainly, the economy has grown significantly larger over the last 20 years, and more people have moved up the income ladder than down. I do think the benefits have been limited on lowest rungs of the income ladder, but even that cohort has shrunk as a % of the labor force.

        To address your example of technological innovation. Yes, retailers are not paying their remaining employees proportionally more, but they also aren’t reaping a ton of benefits. I do expect that the manufacturers and programmers of those systems have seen increased revenue however, and have probably hired more employees as a result. Technology tends to shift jobs more than it replaces them. I think self-checkout and other labor replacing technologies are more a matter of survival for retailers. Overall, retailers’ net margins have been pretty steady between 2.8% to 3.5% for 20+ years. They did jump in 2021 (lots of COVID cash sloshing around) but then dropped back to 3.3% in 2022. LOTS of retailers have gone out of business, so the industry isn’t exactly thriving as a result of those innovations.

        The commonly held idea that trickle down economics means that tax cuts and benefits for the wealthy/corporations somehow directly ends up in the pockets of workers is and always has been nonsense. It wouldn’t be rational for business owners/managers to pay employees more just because of a lower tax rate. That said, I don’t think higher taxes really do much good either and at some point I could see them being a disincentive to invest in growth. Large corporations are also harmed less than small businesses by increased regulation as they can absorb the cost of compliance using a much smaller percentage of their revenue.

        Appreciate the discussion.

    3. Patrice Fitzgerald Avatar
      Patrice Fitzgerald

      Steve:

      Wouldn’t it be wonderful if it were so easy to improve the situation of the “poors.” I applaud your attempts, but I fear your view is clouded by your position above the crowd. Things are currently going from bad to worse, and only a great upheaval will upset the hierarchy we now endure.

      1. I hope you don’t think I see myself as being a better human than anyone, I’m definitely not.

        It’s absolutely not easy and I have no illusions of solving this problem in my lifetime. I am just a tiny fish in a very big pond. That said, if I can be a meaningful part of helping even a handful more people have a better life, I’ll die happy. Small changes can often have huge long-term impacts.

        Honestly, I am not sure a great upheaval is the answer. I expect you’re right from the perspective of upsetting the hierarchy, but I’m pessimistic in that I don’t think the result will turn out to be better than what we have today.

        1. This guy’s a real Bernard.

  3. Great post.

    I think one of the complications here is that it’s not just “not a meritocracy” but it’s a partial one. I think you would be happy to admit that you are in the top 10% of writers, or so. And you would probably also be willing to admit that lottery winners are not often plucked from the bottom 90%.

    So while it is true that it’s not a perfect meritocracy, it’s also true that talent and hard work increase your odds of lottery winning dramatically.

    I believe people sense this intuitively, and probably overestimate both their talent and work ethics, which in turn overestimates the likelihood they may win the lottery.

    Probably our school system trains as to overestimate ourselves early on, because certainly it is not just 10% of the class that gets A’s in most cases. Between A’s and B’s, it’s probably 50% or 70% of the class or more. So we all think we are special.

    Also contributing to our false belief about our likelihood to win the lottery is the media’s constant celebration of lottery winners. They make it seem like it happens all the time. Not just billionaires, but every time a startup gets 10 million from some VC or some company goes public, it looks like another person won the lottery. But the fact is, most of them have not and anyway those are vanishingly rare events made to seem overly common through media hype.

    It’s a frustrating problem.

  4. Thanks for the explanation of the Ultimatum game and a thoughtful and deep perspective on it.

  5. Well just handing out money doesn’t work either and I think worse. The money being handed
    Out is still
    Controlled by the few.
    Distributism , offered
    By G.K. Chesterton , May be worth a
    Go. Capitalism
    Has still lifted more
    People
    Out of poverty than any other system thus far. We
    Have evolved into a crony capitalism
    Here in my opinion and it has resulted in reverse fascism, the corporations control the government. They write the legislation for the politicians.
    Please, go write some
    More
    ScyFy and don’t let them ruin your books when they make them into television shows.
    Silo is okay but not near
    As
    Good as the book.

  6. The best way I’ve heard to get the point across is: most people are more likely to go boke over the next three months than they are to become millionaires in that same time frame. Lose your job or hit the lottery.

  7. I agree the experiment typically doesn’t involve enough money to make the decisions made difficult or life changing. And I think your analysis of what would happen if the cash amounts were larger, or the participants poorer, is probably accurate.

    But I think there’s another flaw in the experiment and that is that neither participant had to do anything to get the money in the first place. The money is just handed to the proposer, who spends 15 seconds thinking about how to split it up, and the other participant spends 15 seconds deciding whether to accept the deal. Even if the amount of money was large, neither participant really has that much “sweat equity” in the game.

    I think the experiment would be much different if the proposer were asked to pull $100 from their own wallet and offer a “fair” split with a random second participant from the audience. I suspect most people would instinctively feel that the proposer shouldn’t have to give up any of the money they’ve earned. In the same way most people feel a 90-10% split was unfair in the original experiment.

    This inherent idea that we should get to keep the rewards of our labor is a strong one. And goes against the idea that a society should equally share its wealth amongst all of its members. Both ideas (sharing equitably and individual ownership of earned wealth) are strong, morally valid, and conflict with each other. As with most things in life, I suspect the “correct” answer lies in some sort of compromise between the two ideas.

    I also suspect that we know, deep down, that in a society where wealth was shared there would be many members who didn’t put in much (any) effort to generate the wealth that was being shared. Just another wrinkle in this complex issue.

    Finally, I want to strongly disagree with you about you being lucky. Someone once told me that “Luck happens when preparation meets opportunity.” Yes, you got “lucky” in the sense that you lived in a time you were able to capitalize on your skills. But you took the time and effort to learn how to write; you took the time and effort to write the books (I’ve read them, they are very good.); you took the chance to sell them on Amazon at a measly $0.99 each. Others… did not. I’m sure you’ve done quit well financially on those books. You earned that money, you don’t “owe” any of it to other authors who weren’t as “fortunate” as you were.

    1. I think this misses the point. The mutuality of the decision process is the reason why it’s related to distribution and not based on “sweat equity.” That is a different type of psychological aspect that isn’t necessarily ignored here, but it isn’t quite the point.

      This is not about giving someone with no claim money from someone else’s pocket. The premise is that they both get it or neither does. They both have some entitlement because if the responder doesn’t agree, they both get nothing. To an extent, this works in the relationship not between any individual wealthy person and anyone living below the poverty level, but to individual company/organizational income disparities. If a CEO doesn’t pay their employees then their company doesn’t make any money. If they pay them a smaller amount, then the CEO retains the larger portion. This isn’t pointing towards a broad societal redistribution but rather organizational and structural which if done across industries and multiple sectors/businesses, would lead to a broader societal redistribution ideally.

      But that doesn’t happen because the top 5%, the CEOs can still keep 90% while paying employees 10%.

      If for some reason they were required to do work for the amount then that would be relevant, but this is a hypothetical windfall without the presumption of contribution of either party to the origination of the windfall (at least not entirely). To an extent, there is an aspect of decision making (mental work I guess) which the proposer takes on and thus that may to an extent account for the 70/30 and 60/40 entitlements.

    2. Imagine someone who spent 10 years working hard to grow an orchard. One day he has plenty of apples and hire a worker to pick them up.
      Will he share the profit 50/50 ? I don’t thing so… And still, giving away just enough so the worker can barely survive until the next day will not be fair either…

      PS :
      “I also suspect that we know, deep down, that in a society where wealth was shared there would be many members who didn’t put in much (any) effort to generate the wealth that was being shared.” —> that’s the game I talking about in my own comment

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      Mitchell McConkie

      I think your idea about the experiment needing to be changes is interesting, but the alteration you are suggesting would be less about being “fair” and more about generosity and kindness and measuring one’s likelihood to engage in charity. Not fairness, but generosity. Which is something the original experiment would have dealt with too, but to a far lesser degree, I think.

      Rather than just giving them the $100 free and clear, and rather than punishing the proposer by having him pull $100 from his own pocket and give it away, you could take both participants, each into separate spaces, then explain to them that they will need to perform X task, within X amount of time. Once they complete the task, you tell them it was the same task, same tools made available, everything identical, save for the participants. The roles, then assigned, and the $100 produced as compensation for the combined tasks performed. Then you have the producer divvy out the two paychecks. This way you have the sweat equity, but removes the punishment to the producer of by having to foot the bill of whatever he gives away.

      Secondarily, I do have a question regarding your closing paragraph, regarding luck. How is it that one can prepare to be born within a specific zip code or with a specific last name? Or in a specific country, or certain racial group?

      Being born in certain zip codes, with certain last names, or in a developed nation, and among those of a privileged race are better indicators of one’s ability to build wealth than anything any aptitude test or cognitive exam could ever reveal. You pluck any of the world’s billionaires–or anyone from the top 10% from their current existence, reshuffle the deck and deal them out to a different family, in a different city or country, change his/her race–all things which they have no influence over, or choice in, and the majority of them would NOT return to their current station level. Because they were born in BFE rural Sparks, NV instead of Palo Alto, CA, they never rubbed shoulders with this person in business or that person in tech. They didn’t go to Stanford, so they didn’t experience this professor’s words that inspired them to go on the path that leads to whatever put them in the billionaire class.

      Not true of them all, but the majority of them, it would be. You change just one of a multitude of factors that one has no way to prepare for, and his life is set on an entirely different trajectory, bypassing the luck that led to being part of the 1%. So much of our “success” stories comes down to pure, simple, randomly occurring luck. That’s it.

      You can prepare for the opportunity to sue your way into becoming a founder of EV car company when it’s 3 years old, since YOU were three years old, but without the luck of getting a gift from dad (who was lucky enough to own shares in an emerald mine which afforded that gift) to fly across the globe, during the digital revolution (lucky timing) in order to start and sell a software company that would provide the means to invest in said EV car company and get miffed enough to file that lawsuit in the first place, you aren’t becoming the current richest man in the world.

      Luck isn’t made when preparation meets opportunity, it isn’t made from anything! Luck simply just is. Sure, preparation and opportunity can enhance it, but it isn’t born of either or both of them. I’d suggest it is the other way around entirely, “I am lucky, therefore I can prepare for X.” Or “I am lucky, and as such I can take advantage of X opportunity.”

      We are all lucky to be where we are in life, some of us are just BILLIONS of times more lucky than others.

  8. Approximately 50%of wealth in the US is inherited. Of the 15 recognized billionaires under 30, all inherited their wealth. That is not a level playing field.

    1. EXACTLY

    2. Why worry that 15 or so billionaires under 30 have it better than everyone else (financially anyway)?

      About 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth after 2 generations, even more after 3. It’s kind of a problem that’s not a problem that ends up fixing itself anyway.

  9. You’re spot on. I have been a principled person all my life, but 100k – difficult not to take it.

    Wouldn’t it be great if it could change by itself, without revolution. Has it ever changed without revolution?

    I get how such a revolution could happen/has happened, in other countries. The US strikes me as somewhere that doesn’t know in general when the wool is pulled, or has a very high tolerance for crumbs only. Hope I’m wrong.

    The top .5% seem to have an inexhaustible supply of lust for more and more power, more and more ego that their opinion should carry more weight.

    If anything happens, it’s maybe more likely that they’ll push too far and destroy themselves. Musk has started down that road. Ultimately he is worth nothing if no-one wants his crap. The same way we vote, we can all leave Twitter (I have), stop buying Tesla (never would), stop using Amazon (harder 😁) etc, tomorrow.

    So, broadly, I keep getting flashes of dog training 😁🙄

    If they do something good, they get treats. Pretty soon they don’t need the treat. If they do something you disapprove of, I find they do have to understand “no”. And though I’m anthropomorphising, they do have a response to no that seems to be a dog equivalent of shame. A dog has to be aware of disapproval in order to be successful.

    Anyway. The 0.5% get all they need for money and power.

    Societies would have to decouple the link, or couple it to doing good. Not taxes. Actual good.

    Like, you don’t get money from goods transactions any longer, you get poker money. And you can cash it in at a reduced rate, or at a higher rate – if you do good with it.

    You wanna be rich, you have to do good.

    Good might be charity, or health care, or literally balancing up with the 95%. More if you balance up with the lowest. Tons of stuff.

    So by all means lust for money and power, but you must help people too.

    Other than that, I got nothing right now.

  10. Hi
    Great post.
    And as you said, this particular game results really depend on the wealth of the players. Because, indeed, the one who is starving will always take the $10. He has no other choice. And the one who have plenty of money can always go for the $90 because he doesn’t mind so much loosing them (and beside, he can even tell himself that he gave the other guy a chance not to starve).
    In essence (with let say something closer to maybe 80/20…), this is the post-WW2 social-liberal compromise that worked well as long as there was an annual growth of the total society income. And the $20 could become years after years 21, then 22 and so on. Everybody was happy enough :)

    One game I found really interesting is the one (I don’t remember the name if any) where several players put some of their money to the commun pot, then the bank count it, double the total amount and share it back to the players.
    In this game, when all the players put as much money as they can, they all get a lot. But the player who doesn’t put any money in the pot (thus betraying the others) end up with more money than anyone else.
    So in this game, unless traitors can be punished one way or an other by fair players, the game soon end with only a couple of fools putting money in the pot and everybody staying poor.
    The whole issue for a society is therefore to find the right balance between nice voluntary cooperation and costly forced cooperation between its members.

    PS : Unless you’ve already done it, if you want to understand how and why wealth disparity grows too much and so often in history then leads most of the time to a revolution or civil war, I would recommend reading Peter Turchin’s books. I found his structural-demographic theory very insightful.

  11. Well stated. Coming from a classroom teacher in a city under a control, quick to denegrate, principal, I know I am not working for the money. I also know that we are the only ones that can improve our plight , and like you so clearly point out, it’s most likely not going to be the people at the top who lead us to the promised land. I wrote a story of a talking crow from Tanzania(I lived amongst them for 4 years) who Jonathan Seagull-like(more like Nemo-like), ended up “saving” us with her heart. Sad to say, MJ was/is the best way I could think of of getting us to see(and act upon) the light. After all, if you or I tried to be the savior, our chances of ending up as burnt toast(or worse) are pretty high. The problem as I see it is pretty clearly spelled out in your books, how to make a change without anyone getting hurt? I figure if MJ could do it…oh to be an immortal crow with a heart able to fit all of us in it.

  12. This is an excellent article outlining a real problem that continues to get worse. One thing lacking in the experiment, is whether or not the subjects are able to negotiate. Negotiations would change the results and likely have more 50/50 splits. Some proposers are ultimate con men too— trump, for instance. Musk, our American oligarch, could probably be thrown in that category too.

  13. I would like to propose that whoever posts replies in or against this post, shoudl state his net worth and income.
    I think it is only fair in this situation

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